The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan

Alexa · 04-16-2006, 04:19 PM

Our local TV gave us lately the "Mademoiselle Swan" or "The Swan" seria. Did anyone watch it ? What do you think about these extreme transformations ? How about those obsessed of plastic surgery ?

Phyllis Sidheuaine · 04-19-2006, 01:15 AM

Plastic surgery for legitimate reasons (like reconstructive surgery or surgery to correct a true deformity or to keep someone safe after giving testimony against truly dangerous people) is okay, even necessary imho. Plastic surgery just to improve one's looks without it being medically/legally necessary (like misshapen skull, burn victim, no fingers and/or toes, radical mastectomy, etc for medical and Witness Protection Program for legal) is like using a photon torpedo to kill a fly.

Alas, too much emphasis is put on "beauty" and the "right look" that many people will put their health/lives in jeopardy to "look good"/"look younger". Again, just my humble opinion.

Phyllis Sidheuaine

steve12553 · 04-19-2006, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Phyllis Sidheuaine

Alas, too much emphasis is put on "beauty" and the "right look" that many people will put their health/lives in jeopardy to "look good"/"look younger".

Got to agree wholeheartedly. Accept yourself as you are and worry about the important things in life.....................like snails.

Leto · 04-19-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Alexa

Our local TV gave us lately the "Mademoiselle Swan" or "The Swan" seria. Did anyone watch it ? What do you think about these extreme transformations ? How about those obsessed of plastic surgery ?

Another irresponsible BS reality TV show. So many surgery procedure in so little time, it's only a matter of months before they've got a major health issue with one of the competitors. Not even talking about the psychological disorder these transformation occurs.

For plastic surgery itself, I don't care. If people think it can help them to feel better with themselves why not ? But it's not a miracle.

BTW, how do you classify transgender people who use surgery to change their gender ?

Alexa · 04-20-2006, 01:57 AM

First of all, I would like to say this kind of show drives me crazy. I watched some sequences only to have an idea what was the story about.

As per my understanding, those women were not happy at all about their look. (Well, I'm not happy with my look either, but I won't try to have a plastic surgery only for a few years and I'm afrad of knives in general.) This show gave them the occasion to be stars or a new type of mannequines, the Swans. The physical result is amazing, I must admit. But they pay this for what price ? Inside of them, I'm sure it's impossible to change only in a few months. They look great after all those operations, but for how many years ? Nobody can stay young forever. We are all mortals.

The worst part is this kind of show, beside a Hollywood image, influence other women. They became so obsessed about their physical, they forget to live and their familes and children pay for it.

I agree the plastic surgery is useful for reconstruction purposes after an accident or a physical problem, like a 3th foot, at birth. The rest of them serve more the pockets of the surgeons.

Those who change the gender, hmm, they really have psycologicals issues.

Leto · 04-20-2006, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexa

I agree the plastic surgery is useful for reconstruction purposes after an accident or a physical problem, like a 3th foot, at birth. The rest of them serve more the pockets of the surgeons.

Those who change the gender, hmm, they really have psycologicals issues.

I'm not a pro-plastic surgery, but even if it's only for pure psychological or esthetical purpose, we can't put away all these type of surgery as rubbish.
Breast enhancement or breast reduction really helped some of my friends life (try being petite in high school with a 38 cup, not really fun), eyelids surgery is quite often used by politician or TV host for professional reason.
However I agree it musn't be shown as a simple procedure - as an haircut would be, and should be handle with care if only to adjust the new appearence with the old mind.

Plumley · 10-22-2006, 04:14 AM

I agree, Leto. I don't have any problem with people having surgery to feel better about themselves. We do all sorts of things to accomplish that. Plastic surgery is more extreme, but, done with realistic expectations, why shouldn't somone better look better if s/he wants to? It's just important to remember that it is major surgery and not to be undertaken lightly.

Melos · 10-22-2006, 03:51 PM

The problem with these people who have excessive plastic surgery is that they will NEVER be happy with themselves, I think. I find it sad that someone focusses so much on just how they look for their self-worth. I'm not talking about corrective surgery or even some for your profession. There are women who probably spend more time swollen and recovering than beautiful.

RoxyMoron · 07-13-2007, 02:35 AM

I really miss this show. Despite the fact that I was jealous and wished I were the one getting to be on there (I've been wanting a nose job for quite some time), I was watching it mostly because I realized that it's possible to look drop dead gorgeous when you used to be a homely person. It made me realize that beauty is in everyone if you know how to find it! A lot definitely has to do with self confidence.

tater03 · 07-16-2007, 02:49 AM

Personally, I don't care for shows like this one. But as for plastic surgury I just feel that it is a personal choice and you should only do it if you want to do it. I see friends that do it because their signifigant other thinks that they need something changed. That I don't agree with at all.

04-16-2006, 04:19 PM	#1 (permalink)
Alexa Alien investigator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 546	The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan Our local TV gave us lately the "Mademoiselle Swan" or "The Swan" seria. Did anyone watch it ? What do you think about these extreme transformations ? How about those obsessed of plastic surgery ?

04-19-2006, 01:15 AM	#2 (permalink)
Phyllis Sidheuaine Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 62	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan Plastic surgery for legitimate reasons (like reconstructive surgery or surgery to correct a true deformity or to keep someone safe after giving testimony against truly dangerous people) is okay, even necessary imho. Plastic surgery just to improve one's looks without it being medically/legally necessary (like misshapen skull, burn victim, no fingers and/or toes, radical mastectomy, etc for medical and Witness Protection Program for legal) is like using a photon torpedo to kill a fly. Alas, too much emphasis is put on "beauty" and the "right look" that many people will put their health/lives in jeopardy to "look good"/"look younger". Again, just my humble opinion. Phyllis Sidheuaine

04-20-2006, 01:57 AM	#5 (permalink)
Alexa Alien investigator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 546	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan First of all, I would like to say this kind of show drives me crazy. I watched some sequences only to have an idea what was the story about. As per my understanding, those women were not happy at all about their look. (Well, I'm not happy with my look either, but I won't try to have a plastic surgery only for a few years and I'm afrad of knives in general.) This show gave them the occasion to be stars or a new type of mannequines, the Swans. The physical result is amazing, I must admit. But they pay this for what price ? Inside of them, I'm sure it's impossible to change only in a few months. They look great after all those operations, but for how many years ? Nobody can stay young forever. We are all mortals. The worst part is this kind of show, beside a Hollywood image, influence other women. They became so obsessed about their physical, they forget to live and their familes and children pay for it. I agree the plastic surgery is useful for reconstruction purposes after an accident or a physical problem, like a 3th foot, at birth. The rest of them serve more the pockets of the surgeons. Those who change the gender, hmm, they really have psycologicals issues.

10-22-2006, 04:14 AM	#7 (permalink)
Plumley Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 11	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan I agree, Leto. I don't have any problem with people having surgery to feel better about themselves. We do all sorts of things to accomplish that. Plastic surgery is more extreme, but, done with realistic expectations, why shouldn't somone better look better if s/he wants to? It's just important to remember that it is major surgery and not to be undertaken lightly.

10-22-2006, 03:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Melos Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 35	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan The problem with these people who have excessive plastic surgery is that they will NEVER be happy with themselves, I think. I find it sad that someone focusses so much on just how they look for their self-worth. I'm not talking about corrective surgery or even some for your profession. There are women who probably spend more time swollen and recovering than beautiful.

07-13-2007, 02:35 AM	#9 (permalink)
RoxyMoron Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 24	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan I really miss this show. Despite the fact that I was jealous and wished I were the one getting to be on there (I've been wanting a nose job for quite some time), I was watching it mostly because I realized that it's possible to look drop dead gorgeous when you used to be a homely person. It made me realize that beauty is in everyone if you know how to find it! A lot definitely has to do with self confidence.

07-16-2007, 02:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
tater03 Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 45	Re: The Swan / Mademoiselle Swan Personally, I don't care for shows like this one. But as for plastic surgury I just feel that it is a personal choice and you should only do it if you want to do it. I see friends that do it because their signifigant other thinks that they need something changed. That I don't agree with at all.